Q: And in State's Exhibit #2 can you identify the person in that photograph. There was like a big jug of money, like one of those big milk jugs full He told me to get down on all fours, and she had a couple of hundred, and Brad, and he said he had about 1500. A: He ripped the covers off the bed, and I don't remember what he said. That was the opening salvo of a grisly recitation that went on for about 90 seconds -- wholly unrelated to the procedural issues in the case, but one that clearly illuminates how some justices feel about the death penalty. Q: Were they ... were they ... where were you seated or where were you MS. FOULSTON: Your Honor, one of our family members has an oxygen tank. Q: And you've indicated there was a taller one of the two, is that right? Q: The other type you said had some sort of clip? A: Aaron's car was being driven in front of the truck, and they pulled 11:54, in that time frame? had Christmas lights on, and I started running towards it because it was A: He asked which one was Holly. Q: Now, when Aaron was brought into the room, do you recall whether Jason, is that right? A: We were kneeling with our backs to the car. Q: And at the time that you left the residence or if ... when you left Huffington Post. thing and the clip. Q: And do you remember where Brad Heyka was at that time? Q: When you got to that bank, do you know where the actual ATM machine bit. A: I don't know if he said any words. Q: Do you recall who it was that was assigned, if you will, to the master Did you ... A: There were three or four cars that were traveling north on Greenwich, "Don't tell me I have to get up and turn the lights off again.". Q: At the time when the door was opened, was the light in the closet It was lighter, but I don't know which lights were Q: When you came out of the closet and into the bedroom area, did you And I kind of flipped out because In all, the Carr brothers robbed, raped or murdered seven people. and I was running along it up to the back of a white house and ran around you shut the door, but on its own. She says the man, whom she later identified as Jonathan Carr, ripped the covers off the bed. A: Yes. was going on with the two individuals that had entered the residence? There was kind of like a dirt road that was behind a subdivision, Q: When you left Greenwich Road, was the area surrounding this location A: We were directed to perform oral sex on each other and then to perform The only survivor of the massacre is a woman whose identity has been protected, and who is known as H.G. the 14th? one I was with said "It's me.". me because I was laying next to him, and I said about 500, and then Aaron, Q: Do you recall if there was a key or how were you gaining entry to Q: When Jason returned back to the room, do you recall if you knew where big screen TV, 52-inch, that belonged to Brad Heyka, is that correct? coming from? of the money that they might have received. A: Probably around five minutes, five or ten minutes. time frame? Q: When he opened the door, do you remember where Jason was placed in relation to the louvered doors? The Schreibers moved from Wichita and now live in eastern Kansas. Q: Were you able to look at the clock or observe the time in the car? Q: Why was it that you were unable to make any definite description They would wave their guns and tell us we better still on? that correct? about both you and Heather had been in Aaron's vehicle facing in the westerly Where Q: Was there any commentary during the time that these acts were going A: I either saved it until I got all of the cash and then handed it I rolled him Q: And the size of this bedroom, would you consider it to be a large Q: So it had a bed and some dressers and stereo, things you talked about? Audio is controlled by the court. Q: And did you observe the other people that you had left the home with? heard them get into the truck. So they took Jason's. A: I got up and went out to the area that they wanted us to go to. I let the dog go to the bathroom and went inside. I can remember turning onto 21st Street and I couldn't look that way to didn't get knocked out, you saw stars, saw gray? indicate why the light was turned back on? They fucked up by releasing the audio tape of the 911 call without redacting it. A: There were no houses. Q: And at various time during your testimony you have been able to give A: I believe it was the fatter of the two. discussion by the two intruders directed towards the sexual activities? A: I kind of leaned up to look at the clock, to see what time it was A: I don't remember. A: No, I'm assuming she was in Aaron's bedroom. night. I'm Kevin Alfred Strom. A: When they were looking for or when the skinnier individual was looking Can you tell Q: The three friends. Q: Did anyone talk at that time in the closet? time? They forced him into his car at gunpoint and ordered him to drive to several different ATMs, where they had him withdraw money and hand it over to … He went downstairs to talk Q: At any time did any other people enter? at that time? approximate time period. or the front porch of that triplex? Still have questions? A: No. Q: You're making some motions with your hand. Q: Did these gunshots appear to be succession with Heather receiving a minute, and then I opened the door again, and he directed me to come make out any specific details. Q: Were you able to identify or see him clearly in the bathroom while Q: And what, if anything, did you observe or hear? Q; And is there a stationary lighting or ceiling lighting in that room? ran around to the front of the house and rang the doorbell. When H. Befort was not there, but the two roommates were. to do me any good to stay there, so I started looking around to see where Sword and Scale, which debuted incovers the underworld of criminal activity and the demented minds that perform the most despicable and unthinkable actions. go into any particular location? A: I sat in the truck for a few minutes while the other guy got out. was at that time? Q: And when you used the word moaning, can you describe what impression If it's a gloves on or was he without gloves? A: Brad Heyka and Aaron Sander also lived there. the other was doing other things? It wasn't checkered, and it wasn't plaid Q: Now in terms of being able to describe them as fat or skinny at that the downstairs? and then you could I thought it was a subdivision that was starting Q: Can you tell us what happened in the order in which this occurred. Can you tell us Brad was in the house and that Heather was also in the house. A: That's when Jason turned to me, and that's when Brad turned to me ". Q: And did you ... were you still in the car with Heather at the time bedroom, is that correct? A: Yes. Q: This would have been sometime after 2:07, correct? finished except for the storage area? Did it have a multiple number of and anytime I saw headlights, I dove and tried to cover my body in the they had not found any money and came and asked you for your ATM cards? Q: Can you tell me where that was in relation to Jason's bedroom? your purse had been gone through? A: I got out. at that. A: I don't remember direct words. bedrooms? in the vehicle? taken from the residence by the two intruders? A: We started going to the ATMs. And then they opened the garage door. black coats. Q: When Heather made those comments, did that incur any action by the Q: When you told them that you didn't have money, did they ... excuse A: Adjacent to the Prairie State Bank. Tyler and Kassidy's momma Lv 4. Q: And so this evening, on December 14, was no different from other A: Well, Heather was coming out, Aaron was out, and Jason and Brad were A: That's when I really noticed his hair and how it was kind of clumped Q: Now ma'am, you indicated that in this line of individuals you were a popcorn tin that sat next to Jason's bed that I heard him open, and then you saw this gentleman? A: Well, they told us not to talk at any time that we attempted to talk, The man who lived there had actually called 911 and helped that you were giving them the right information? Q: All right. Terms Privacy Policy. I mean, several that our motion goes to. Q: All right, when you initially visited that issue, I think you used and then I was kicked from behind. Q: And were you at any point stopped during that field? A: Brad's car was parked next to Aaron's. A: I could only distinguish Aaron's voice, so I'm assuming it was Heather. We were ... they just told us to do Jason is gone, where was Heather? as they had left them. Q: Was there something blocking your vision of the other two numbers that knowledge at that time? there and that Aaron had slept on the couch. A: Jason had an alarm clock that stayed lit. to Heather and Heather to you? Q: Once Heather had been removed from the room, were you able to determine And that was it. Q: When you say the fat one, start there, in terms of the person that In the closet-perhaps 12 feet away from the wet-bar area-the victims were under orders not to talk. The only survivor of the massacre is a woman whose identity has been protected, and who is known as H. In statements to police and in testimony at an April preliminary hearing, the year-old school teacher offered horrible details of what happened on the night of Dec. That evening, a Thursday, H. Befort, 26, a science teacher and coach at Augusta High School, lived in a triplex condo with two college friends: Bradley Heyka, 27, a financial analyst, and Aaron Sander, 29, who had recently decided to study for the priesthood. Q: And when you were in that hallway area, do you recall whether the Q: Did your fingers enter into the vagina of Heather? be the taller or the shorter of the two? Q: And what part of his body penetrated into what part of your body? A: At that time I turned to Heather and I said "They're going to shoot was not yet there, is that correct? It was just woven, and it had big, black letters on it, and it might have lived at that residence? you are familiar with, is that correct? On click of "Proceed to Pay" button you will be directed to the PayPal checkout page to complete your subscription payment to Sword and Scale. Q: And what did this tall black male do at that time? Q: When Heather was brought into the room, where was she located? like he was taking off a condom, and he flushed the toilet. to turn everything off. He asked who, who did she belong to. At about 9 p. Befort came home from coaching a basketball practice aroundand atH. A: I went into the closet, and Aaron left. taking people to the ATM, is that right? Q: So within that room you described as being in the front of the residence, I'm not going to have Please don't hurt us." Q: So it was suitable to individuals to live in various rooms, including Do you understand? Q: Do you know how long Jason stayed out in the foyer with Heather? outside of his doors, the wet bar is on the east side. of change, and I heard him pick that up. Q: Do you recall if he made demand for it or if you just handed it? on the door. satisfaction, we were directed to either suck it harder or during the digital And two guys came out. They talked for a few minutes. The survivor, a young school teacher who was identified only as H.G. Update: No not BTK. A: At on point when Aaron was in the hallway, they told him he had until Do you remember how you were positioned at that living room and kitchen. The larger guy and I walked to Aaron's truck. Q: And at the time when you were hearing these noises, did you feel Tier Subscription: Post By:. that were with you in the home and Heather, were there any comments or A: Yes, because the bathroom light was on, and when I opened the door Five people, Brad Heyka, Heather Muller, Aaron Sander, Jason Befort, and Holly Glover were spending the night in said house. He came over, and he opened the closet door, and he pointed the gun at Jason's head, and he asked, "Is this the only one?" He said he just wanted to drop us but you're still kind of standing in the doorway because we were right Q: This December the 14th would have been a day before a normal workday A: It was one of those also mid thigh, not cropped, not long leather Q: What reaction did you have at that time? the events of that evening? Jason was next to me. A: The person that I call the fat one was ... Brad was standing while A: We went to the bank on the northeast corner of the intersection. In a much-remarked point of tragedy, H. After the search, the Carrs forced their hostages to strip naked, bound and detained them, and subjected them to various forms of sexual humiliation, including rape and oral sex. Q: I'm going to ask you to sit forward in your chair. in the room? A: After she had her teeth bared and was growling, they said, "Grab me again. break where the occupants of the home were in Jason's bedroom and at a is that correct? result of his inability to get a full erection? She said they wanted to know who else was in house, and the terrified whites told them about Mr. Heyka in the basement and Miss Muller in the other ground-floor bedroom. Q: Is there anything about other clothing items, shoes or anything of find the fucking keys. the first? the closet, would you be closer to me or farther away than me if you were Q: At that point in time were you able to form an opinion with regard activity occurred, is that correct? A: Brad went to the ATM first, then Jason went, then I went, then Aaron The only survivor of the massacre is a woman whose identity has been protected, and who is known as H. In statements to police and in testimony at an April preliminary hearing, the year-old school teacher offered horrible details of what happened on the night of Dec. That evening, a Thursday, H. Befort, 26, a science teacher and coach at Augusta High School, lived in a triplex condo with two college friends: Bradley Heyka, 27, a financial analyst, and Aaron Sander, 29, who had recently decided to study for the priesthood. A: A few seconds after that I heard Aaron talking to somebody. Her boyfriend cried out in surprise as someone forced open the door to the bedroom. side like not face down, and then I could hear the truck door slam and Q: So at the time when now you and Jason and Aaron would be in the closet, A: He said something that scared me, and I kind of jerked, and he told MS. FOULSTON: I'm going to ask Your Honor if ... would it assist if Q: Was there any illumination in that home other than front porch? Heather passenger seat of Aaron's Honda, is that right? He asked ON 14 December 2000, two Black men, armed with at least one handgun, broke into a home and forced three White men and two White women to have sex with each other for the amusement of the watching Negroes. Add Address. Q: And were you still driving the vehicle? you entered the room? The brothers broke into a house chosen nearly at random where Brad Heyka, Heather Muller, Aaron Sander, Jason Befort and his girlfriend, a young woman identified as 'H. A: Jason was in between Brad and I, which would have been right in the Q: I'm sorry. Q: When everyone was in the room, all the members of the home and their Q: Were there any comments or activities directed towards Brad as a 11:54 to get hard, and they counted down from 11:52 to 11:53 to 11:54. 19 ... excuse me, of the year 2000, do you recall your activities in the They then drove the victims to ATMs to empty their bank accounts, before finally taking them to a snowy deserted soccer complex on the outskirts of town and shooting them execution-style in the backs of their heads, leaving them for dead. A: I leaned out to get the money out of the ATM, and when I did that yourself and Heather Muller? I just remember looking at the clock. I think I tried to withdraw 200 and it wouldn't Q: The other individual, could you recall anything about his weapon Do you have information you want to share with HuffPost? been discussing, from 11:00 to approximately the midnight hour, in all Q: When you were called, summoned from that closet, did you at that of the thinner of the two? you at that time? residence? Q: And I believe that we have left off at a point in time prior to the the ... Q: So were you able to determine where, what clock they might have been or print. see if there were any cars coming. And then we stood there in the hallway for and then whom you had contact with until the 15th of December in the early before you at the time when you heard it? there is ... the wet bar is kind of like in the short part of the L. The I remember the ambulance people. A: She was growling and had her teeth bared. Her boyfriend cried out in surprise as someone forced open the door to the bedroom. Q: And A: It's actually a triplex, I think. A: They wanted Aaron to get an erection. MR. WATCHTELL: Might we see them, your honor? Three days later, they shot and mortally wounded year-old cellist and librarian, Ann Walenta, as she tried to escape from them in her car; she died three days later. purposes as State's Exhibit #5. The long-suppressed, horrifying pre-trial testimony of H.G., the heroic survivor of the Wichita Massacre, is now available. Q: When you say that you could hear the truck start up and then you to you, what body parts? go east, and drove up 127th Street to 21st Street and turned left. Q: So both vehicles would have been westbound parallel to each other, where she and Aaron might have been located? And I said "They're fake. He couldn't. A: He proceeded to do that. Q: Do you know whether any of your personal items like your wallet or Q: What direction would they have been facing? Q: When the same individual retrieved Heather, do you have any idea There is another bedroom that does not have a bathroom Your subscription has been cancelled. Q: When you returned to the residence, Aaron then had been the last Q: You told us the names of individuals who were at the residence. it or anything else about it? Holly's Reputation Score is 4.05. Three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian, Ann Walenta, as she tried to escape from them in her car; she died t… the only thing you could see. The name of your male friend, who was that? out of the room, what did you do? inside, and he raped me vaginally. it and striking him. Q: When it was finally determined that Jason's vehicle could be used, and we were forced to have intercourse. coming up on the bank. the lights of that vehicle? But, like you said, there doesn't seem to be any evidence of that. Twenty-two-year-old Reginald Carr and his younger brother, 20-year-old Jonathan, already had lengthy criminal records by the time they settled in Wichita, Kansas. I can be mean sometimes, but that's not one of Q: Did you have the Christmas tree and items under the tree at that residence with Jason? and then downstairs is a living area, storage rooms, bathroom, and a bedroom. The closet light was on. The snow was pink, and spotted with red. then in Jason's truck with the fatter of the two, and Heather was in the One of them is shut because there is a, like a ... Q: From the sound of the voices were you able to determine if one or way it was going? me if I had ever been with a black man before, and I said no. Part of HuffPost Politics. So I talked to the 911 operator. I couldn't look east because that's.. Holly G. and Heather M. were then put into the back seat of the Honda, and the men were put into the trunk. A: I ran southwest. Q: And where did you normally keep your checkbook? Q: Did you note anything else about his clothing? Q: And did Jason come to the home at some point in time while you were I think you're referring to a co-worker who was to be his next victim. as to his height? digital penetration. Q: When the discussion occurs with Heather regarding some item, was A: Brad had gone to bed. A: He had on like a white undershirt and a pair of boxers. doors would you have on that closet? Q: Now, the room that we're speaking of, Jason's bedroom, the closet A: Well, Brad was downstairs, and he was usually the only one who remembered at all at that location? Q: Did that direct your attention toward the door at that time? He had on an orange and black FUBU Q: And you observed Brad Heyka at that time? A: He didn't have an erection either, but there was penetration. time to observe the intruders? Q: Was there any discussion between you, Jason, and Brad at the time Proceed to Pay. Q: And so when you describe you and Heather being placed in the trunk, We all said from the home, what exit you took? other lighting that you could illuminate your residence with, is that right? got to lie to me." looking at, or what clock might have been in the immediate area? Update 2: Never mind. Q: And the other bedroom that you said did not have an adjacent bathroom, He came over, and he opened the closet door, and he pointed the gun at Q: When you returned back to the residence on Birchwood, where did you and I were taken out of the trunk of the car and put into the back seat Not as often, but she visited Aaron there. of the five people raised their hands? TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001, MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins Q: Were your eyes covered in any manner at that time? Q: I believe when we left off before the recess you had been talking Q: After you had heard that comment, do you know what happened then? Q: And the one that always left, which one was that or who do you describe Join Facebook to connect with Holly Schreiber and others you may know. Q: Triplex. coming at you? Q: And the one individual that was in essence guarding you, would this that time, is that right? A: They wanted to know who else was in the house, and we told them that A: Good morning. returns, did he take any action to, say, shut down the house. Q: Had she been continuously barking or growling? he had told me prior to that he wasn't going to shoot me, and he said he It's for a dining room table. watching that television show? Q: Do you recall whether or not you were able to see his hair or was your dog or we'll shoot her.". detail for us any conversation or activity that occurred when he was with State's Exhibit #4 and ask if you can identify the person depicted in that The crimes shocked Wichitans, and purchases of guns, locks, and home security systems subsequently skyrocketed in the city. I saw the skinny guy raping Heather vaginally. that you were aware of? Q: Would it be normal for Heather to stay at that location. way out, but I fell onto the window. befort? all? proceed any further? A: I waited until I couldn't see headlights anymore. A: Twin home, condo, duplex. It wasn't that one. The victim survived and recuperated from her wounds, and later met the only other surviving victim of the Carrs. Q: Does he wear his hair in a distinctive manner? peeking out of to see who was ringing their doorbell at that time of the renew our objection and object to this request. Q: And do you recall what location you were at in the evening hours, say, about ? he penetrated me. Address Line 2 Optional. with weapons? THE COURT: I'm sorry. Last Name. What type of Q: So in addition to ceiling lighting there was also some stationary, sex with Heather at that time? A: Yes, but it was not directly above us, probably one of the living weapon? Q: Do you know what the streets are that would border this particular Q: Now, directing your attention to the FUBU sweater, can you tell me He asked A: He started to resist, and they struck him over the head with the Q: So you could see a weapon, is that right? could hear it go like leave east. I didn't Q: When you started to run that direction, did you travel by the main Q: Thank you. Do you recall that testimony, do you not? Q: You said on the evening of December 14 that you went to that location A: It was on my left because I was on the end, and that's where it was You could hear him making a drink. And then I withdrew Meanwhile, in unglamorous Wichita, Kan., the eight-week trial of Jonathan and Reginald Carr came to a close. Brad's keys are usually on Q: And at this time when they are kneeling, where you able to hear any some glasses above the wet bar, and there was a bottle of Weller's, and Q: At some time during the time that the intruders were in your home, to the clothing or the features of either of those intruders at that time? Summary: Holly Schreiber is 44 years old today because Holly's birthday is on 05/10/1975. Heather's Q: So you were basing this on what you heard, is that right? The Wichita Massacre, also known as The Wichita Horror, was a murder/assault/rape/robbery spree perpetrated by brothers Reginald and Jonathan Carr against several people in the city of Wichita, Kansas in December 2000. I got in the passenger's side. Q: So a revolver would have something round? Q: Is this similar to what you observed that evening? there anything obstructing that? That is if we're thinking about the same thing. Q: So the other person in terms of height, were you there side by side Prosecutors will seek the death penalty. But Kansas hasn't executed anyone in 50 years. They also forced the men to engage in sexual acts with the women, and the women with each other. Q: Were you able to observe anything about his physical condition? And then we just drove for a while. A: They participated. Q: And in that immediate area where you and Heather were placed, how And he didn't get back up, but his comment was that as? courtroom today? came into contact with the vehicle? occasions, is that correct? Q: Had you seen Jason prior to going to bed to observe whether he had or that there was a noise. Do you recall that? A: Throughout finding the keys there were comments like "somebody better was the fat one or the skinny one? out of the road and going south on Greenwich. A: Only about a foot deep but about probably 6 feet wide. Q: For the record, you are H.G. of that digital clock? Q: Now, at the time that you have been testifying in court here today, Q: About the first person, the one that took you to the ATM, during where the dining room table goes. He came over to the closet Q: Did you ever get to go and use that television down there? The death penalty can be reinstated for three men, including two brothers who were convicted in Kansas’ “Wichita massacre," according to the U.S. Supreme Court. Q: After the gun was pointed at Jason and the door was then closed again, I saw his clothing. And then I asked Q: During this time were you able to observe any of the ... were you A: I believe I gave it to the 911 operator. initially was at your door of the bedroom, could you distinguish if that Q: And where were you? A: I mean, it wasn't like spiked punky. together. I'm going to hand you what's been marked for identification Q: And that was in response to them asking who else was in the residence? Q: And did you then talk with an officer there? A: It was either on the way there or on the way back that he told me It comes off your head, but it comes off like a helmet. basis? Q: It would be ... even in a dark room would you be able to see the south on Greenwich that looked like it was coming toward the subdivision. anybody stand until she identifies them first. room lights. was in the room initially and a second male that brought Aaron in, is that the return trip? Whatever it is, I want it to stop now. Q: And the thinner one of the two was staying there at the residence, Q: And you also identified some other property, milk jug with money A: We were told to take off all our clothes. looked at me, and then Brad looked at me, and that was it. they were ... he was walking around trying to find the keys with them. Before getting medical treatment, she reported the incident and descriptions of her attackers to the couple who took her in, before the police arrived. him if he was going to shoot us, and he said no. 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